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		<title>By: Showdown: Law of the Land vs. God&#8217;s Law &#171; Bloggin&#8217; Off</title>
		<link>http://paulmct.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/the-true-origins-of-a-specious-argument/#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>Showdown: Law of the Land vs. God&#8217;s Law &#171; Bloggin&#8217; Off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some changes to the Charter may actually be possible.  The changes would have to make it clear secular laws come before religious laws, that there are principles that outrank religious belief.  Those changes could [...]</description>
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		<title>By: paulmct</title>
		<link>http://paulmct.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/the-true-origins-of-a-specious-argument/#comment-341</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?  So solutions to engineering problems, business problems, scientific problems, etc. aren&#039;t found by methodically applying rationality and common sense?  Emotional needs may help identify some problems, but I&#039;ve never heard the Great Wall of China, Roman aqueducts, or internet were built on emotion.  To state that rational problem solving does not even exist only reveals your lack of awareness.

Did I mention anything in the article about the golden rule being related to money?  I don&#039;t think I did.  Why bring it up?

Similarly, I did not mention altruism at any point.  What does it have to do with anything?  Altruism is the practice of putting others before yourself.  The post is about society and laws.  This is based on a social contract.  It is not altruistic.  It is a mutual, collective relationship benefitting all.  Altruism is supposedly a one way relationship benefitting the recipient only, although it could be argued it has a selfish element in that the altruist feels good about him/herself.  That kind of pride or self-satisfaction is a very human emotion not requiring a god (and actually a sin, according to some religions).

You don&#039;t present a very logical argument and, in fact, didn&#039;t even address the subject of the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  So solutions to engineering problems, business problems, scientific problems, etc. aren&#8217;t found by methodically applying rationality and common sense?  Emotional needs may help identify some problems, but I&#8217;ve never heard the Great Wall of China, Roman aqueducts, or internet were built on emotion.  To state that rational problem solving does not even exist only reveals your lack of awareness.</p>
<p>Did I mention anything in the article about the golden rule being related to money?  I don&#8217;t think I did.  Why bring it up?</p>
<p>Similarly, I did not mention altruism at any point.  What does it have to do with anything?  Altruism is the practice of putting others before yourself.  The post is about society and laws.  This is based on a social contract.  It is not altruistic.  It is a mutual, collective relationship benefitting all.  Altruism is supposedly a one way relationship benefitting the recipient only, although it could be argued it has a selfish element in that the altruist feels good about him/herself.  That kind of pride or self-satisfaction is a very human emotion not requiring a god (and actually a sin, according to some religions).</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t present a very logical argument and, in fact, didn&#8217;t even address the subject of the post.</p>
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		<title>By: porzitsku</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>** Practical problem solving using rationality and common sense.  Isn’t that how most things get done? **

Actually, probably not. Most important things get done because of an emotional need to get it done, not because logic or reason dictates that the thing get done. The alternative is nice and orderly, but does not exist in reality.  

The Golden Rule is &quot;do unto others&quot; not &quot;he who has the gold makes the rules.&quot;  However, throughout history, the faux golden rule has, well, ruled. Yet there are people who follow the Golden Rule. They do unto otehrs as they would have others do unto them. 

Where did this attitude come from? I submit that a) man is not capable of altruism on his own, and b) the concept therefore had to come from outside man. 

All arguments and explanations come down to this: It had to come from a place with superior moral authority. Nothing fits that concept except God. 

If anyone has an argument that belies or confutes this premise, have a go. I&#039;m listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>** Practical problem solving using rationality and common sense.  Isn’t that how most things get done? **</p>
<p>Actually, probably not. Most important things get done because of an emotional need to get it done, not because logic or reason dictates that the thing get done. The alternative is nice and orderly, but does not exist in reality.  </p>
<p>The Golden Rule is &#8220;do unto others&#8221; not &#8220;he who has the gold makes the rules.&#8221;  However, throughout history, the faux golden rule has, well, ruled. Yet there are people who follow the Golden Rule. They do unto otehrs as they would have others do unto them. </p>
<p>Where did this attitude come from? I submit that a) man is not capable of altruism on his own, and b) the concept therefore had to come from outside man. </p>
<p>All arguments and explanations come down to this: It had to come from a place with superior moral authority. Nothing fits that concept except God. </p>
<p>If anyone has an argument that belies or confutes this premise, have a go. I&#8217;m listening.</p>
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		<title>By: A Caveman&#8217;s Theory &#171; Bloggin&#8217; Off</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Caveman&#8217;s Theory &#171; Bloggin&#8217; Off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Jewish mythology surrounding Moses and the exodus from Egypt came along.  This was followed by Christianity, which infiltrated the Roman empire all [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Disillusionment &#171; Bloggin&#8217; Off</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disillusionment &#171; Bloggin&#8217; Off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] need to teach children a new system of ethics based on rationality, common sense, and truth - not fear of a god or eternal damnation.  It has to be done from an early age, in school.  They [...]</description>
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